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She'd have been a great help with the digging in her hometown today. The council would have saved a fortune.

Silly her not knowing that religion has no part in legal issues and she a solicitor by profession.

Well I obviously amn't an expert in this, but if you look up statistics on abortion rates married vs unmarried it supports this thinking.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog ... land-wales

Also I didn't actually mean that was a fact, I meant the use of the saying fornication can result in pregnancy is a fact. Same as over eating results in obesity, smoking can cause heart disease. Its just so obvious that it's stupid.
I also agree her own religious beliefs shouldn't come into it at all.
Eviltwin, I had 2 children outside marriage too. Don't let her get to you.

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the people of mayo have some amount to answer for.

a county that has elected Enda Kenny, Pee Flynn, Bev Flynn and now this idiot

Bit of a sweeping statement. I didn't vote for them and I have nothing to answer for. Granted she's made Mayo people look like we belong in the dark ages, but we obviously all don't agree with her.

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+2 I`m amazed that an educated professional woman like Michelle Mulherin could come out with a statement like that. Last time I heard the likes I was a teenage girl in a convent and that was yonks ago.I`d like to think times have changed since then. Whitemocha, I`m so sorry that you had to deal with that bo****ks yesterday, you and the other 3 ladies were very brave to share your ordeal with us

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Nice that she came out with the last part about needing to find a solution for the weak, today Holocaust Remembrance Day.

That aside, very very disturbing. If I want religion I will go speak to my priest and I really do not appreciate a politicians religious views being shoved in my face.

I heard her speach on the radio this morning but I missed the part where it said she was an elected representative - Im even more appalled now, her personal religous beliefs should have no place in politics, what she said is highly offensive, upsetting and not representative of how people in this country feel. I will be writing to her also.

Am so sorry that senator treated you so badly at the meeting.

On a related note I was listening to newstalk this morning and they had a pro-life and pro choice campaigner on, I was only half tuned in so I heard them talking about a 'peri-natal' hospice which I had initially understood to be a place where mothers could go to recover from their terminations and generally be looked after, but no what it actually is is a place where women can go until they deliver or naturally miscarry their babies that have no chance of survival and while something like this could play a really good role in countries where woman have real choice and chose this option over termination, in a country like Ireland where we have no choice, it just seemed a little close to the magdellan laundries for my stomach this morning.

I am appalled at the behavour of our elected representatives around this whole issue, they are elected to represent the people of their constituency and I cannot for the life of me believe that the defeating of that bill today was the will of the people. I think you will always have people who are oposed to abortion and think it is not acceptable in any circumstances, but I firmly think that these people are now a small minority so why o why are views of a small minority of our society being allowed to the main voice in relation to this issue. I am sickened everytime I hear of some woman having to go the England to do what should be available to her here ultimately Ireland is haunted by our catholic past and wont legislate properly so that woman and their families can be treated in a humane way at home here in Ireland.

all that means that more women who weren't married had abortions, than married women. It doesn't necessarily correlate to the number of unwanted pregnancies inside or outside marriage. Many people who are unhappy to find themselves pregnant may chose not to have an abortion (for example -I'd imagine it might be easier dealing with an unwanted pregnancy as part of a stable couple) or people who were absolutely thrilled to be pregnant may make the heartbreaking decision to terminate due to catastropic health issues with their baby and that's leaving aside any terminations due to rape/incest (I'm assuming, unlike some societies, we don't still count the woman as complicit in those crimes - we're not going to call rape and incest victims fornicators- are we?)

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Yes, I can see how it could be a very useful choice for those women who feel like they want to go through with the pregnancy, and I know some women do, but for those who don't it just sounds hideous and kind of patronizing ("You can't terminate the pregnancy, and I know you want to, but look, we have a lovely special place for you to go and be really brave about it and wait for your wanted baby to die for MONTHS AND MONTHS. It'll be great - we'll tell you how brave you are all the time and how much we're looking after you. And your fetus.").

Seriously, you are allowed to switch off life support for patients who have no hope of recovery without it, WHY should a fetus with a terminal condition be different? Especially when the life support is ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.

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I genuinely don't believe that the concept of sin is in any way prevalent in today's society? I cannot remember the last time I heard the word used in regular discourse. NB - I am not calling regular Christians mad, just the seriously fundamentalist religious types that espouse the sort of beliefs being discussed here. The types that are - when it comes down to it - not very Christian at all.

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Bean please add me to your list. I am so angry about this whole thing. Can someone tell me why the party whips were to vote against the proposed bill?

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bullshit politics from labour - even though their ard fheis mandated them to act on this area
The Programme for Government committed the Fine Gael-led coalition to establish an expert group to make recommendations on how this matter should be addressed - so they'll try and see if they can get the "expert group" to never give them an answer and continue in the proud tradtion of govts for the past 20 years to studiously avoid the issue

FF/FG god alone knows when or if they'll ever legislate on this area - I doubt it

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It is disgusting that they have put getting re-elected ahead of the lives of women in this country. I am ashamed to be Irish.

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That pretty much sums up the response I got from Ivana bacik this afternoon. I feel really saddened about this all and the way these people treated those brave 4 women.

and its particularly disgusting from Bacik given her role in the spuc/usi case

words are awfully cheap Ivana
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opi ... 35106.html

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Morons abound.

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Another 'class act' from Mayo. What are they putting in the water there Kitkat?

My OH was telling me earlier that when he was young the local PP used to ask all the boys and girls at if they had fornicated since their last confession.

Whitemocha so sorry you at what you had to endure at the hands of Ronan Mullins. He is a disgrace and I am outraged at his behavour. I am so sorry for your loss.

This is an excellent analogy.

Whitemocha-I'm horrified for you. You did a very brave thing telling your story and to be treated like that by an elected representative is beyond low.

Well done for not punching him-I'm not sure I would have been able to show the same level of restraint.

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Morons are bad enough but craw-thumping morons are a danger to society. Michelle Mulherin is a half-witted right-wing relic of an Ireland that has only ever existed in the imagination of repressed old bastards and misty-eyed emigrants. She got into power on the coat-tails of Inda. A sad but not entirely surprising day for Ireland. A government comprised mostly of grey men in grey suits decide to play it safe and act in the interests of the older generation. Very sad.

Is it so surprising or offensive that politicians bring their own personal opinions into the debating chamber? Surely we are electing a mixture of politicians of all colours, creeds & backgrounds and it's only to be expected that there would be the full gamut of opinions in the Dail?
And, I don't think it's a particularly Irish issue to have dail/senate members voting on issues based on their religious opinions, so I certainly don't feel ashamed to be Irish just because there is a religious fundamentalist elected to the senate.
Look at the US, religion plays a large part in their presidential elections and always has done. I'm sure many other countries are the same, so Ireland is not alone.

We elect our politicians to represent their constituency. But, every constituency is made up of people with varying opinions so they can't represnet every single one of their constituents on every single issue. In MAyo I'm sure there are people who disagree very strongly with this lady, but I'm sure there are people who very strongly agree with her on this issue.

Like it or not, Ireland consists of some very liberal minded people but also some very unliberal-minded people - it consists of people with very strong religious beliefs and people with no religious beliefs and lots of people in between. In a democratic society , surely all opinions are valid? Even the opinions that we vehemently disagree with?

I never heard of this Mulherin lady before today, and so far I'm not really warming to her ... but, there are people up and down the country who are probably thinking "Yay - you go girl!".
I don't agree with them, but those people are also citizens of this country and deserve a voice in the dail chambers just like the rest of us. Hopefully, as Irish society moves further and further away from the catholic church there will be less and less people like her, but for now, I think she speaks for a certain portion of the electorate.

Whitemocha - I'm sure it was terribly difficult for you to go in and tell your story in front of these people who were being less than respectful to you. My points above are not intended as any commentary on your particular situation, or your campaign, just a theoretical commentary. I wish you the best in your campaign and I would welcome the day when women in your situation can avail of a termination here in Ireland.

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by valid do you mean correct or worthwhile or just entitled to be heard?
Entitled to be heard absolutely - entitled to be ridiculed if they are bullshit - absolutely

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Evelyn Beatrice Hall

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Down to your signature line I applaud every word...

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Entitled to be heard. And, certainly anyone is entitled to ridicule her opinion.
But, some posters above are horrified at the mere fact that she is using words like "sin" in the Dail chamber, on the basis that religious beliefs should be left at the door.
That's the issue my post relates to.

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