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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:57 pm 
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I think your children would prefer to have a happy mother than a paranoid one who spends her whole time fretting over whether her husband is unzipping his Mickey left right and centre.
Do yourself a favour and stop the cycle .



Agree. I remember your previous posts and nothing has changed. You are the only one who can change things. Blaming this girl won't help, the issue is with your DH. There is no trust in your relationship and hasn't been for years, I don't know why you are still together. Your husband cannot take everything from you, you have rights and entitlements.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:11 pm 
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once again thanks for advice. unless you are in the situation it's hard to understand alot of this kind of trouble.
If I do separate I am sentencing my kids to a pretty miserable life {unless He gets his way it will be unbearable} IF I don't I not sure how I can go on like this anymore.


No you are not necessarily sentencing your kids to a miserable life.

Financially, you might be quite ok - if he is in a good job with good salary, then it's quite possible that he can afford to pay for you and the kids to live in a decent house with decent maintenance coming in. It might well be more than some MMs are living on as a complete family.
I clearly don't know your financial situation, but this is possible.

And, emotionally, well, it won't be fun for them, but like many kids I'm sure they will adjust. They could quite probably grow up less scarred than watching their parents living through a nightmareish marriage where their mother is slowly losing her mind due to trust issues.

It is now 7 months on from your last thread and you are STILL fixating on this lady in the office being the root cause of your marriage problems.
She is not - your DH and/or you are the root cause of your marriage problems, as it is you two who are in the marriage.

On your wedding day, it was not this lady who stood beside you and made solemn marriage vows... it was your DH standing there making those vows.
So this lady owes you NOTHING.

So what if she likes to sleep with married men? Not exactly an admirable trait in any person, but it's not illegal - she is entitled to do what she wants.
It is the married man (men) that she is sleeping with who should chose not to cheat on their wives. Even if she strips down to her underwear and gives your DH a lap dance in his office, he is married and if he decides to sleep with her he is making that choice of his own free will.
A man cannot be seduced into cheating if he does not want to do so.
(And, of course, it may well be the case that it is your DH who is doing all the chasing with this woman, and not the other way around).

If your DH is cheating and has cheated on you then he clearly wants to do so.

And, your DH is right about one thing... if he had an affair with this woman and then dismisses her from employment because his wife can't trust him in her presence then yes, she WOULD have a case for unfair dismissal.

Stop acting like an immature teenage girl, blaming some other woman in the office for your husbands philandering... you owe it to your children to stand up and act like a grown up. decide if you can trust him or not, if you want to be married to him or not, if you can make your marriage work or not etc etc and then start taking some actions.
But, letting him away with this time after time and then coming on internet forums moaning and complaining about some lady in his office place is a pointless exercise, and it's a waste of your time and energy. You would be better placed to direct some of that energy towards making some long term plans for you and your children.

If you want to leave, get some legal advice and take it from there.

Best of luck to you.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:25 pm 
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Milly77 wrote:
once again thanks for advice. unless you are in the situation it's hard to understand alot of this kind of trouble.
If I do separate I am sentencing my kids to a pretty miserable life {unless He gets his way it will be unbearable} IF I don't I not sure how I can go on like this anymore.


No you are not necessarily sentencing your kids to a miserable life.

Financially, you might be quite ok - if he is in a good job with good salary, then it's quite possible that he can afford to pay for you and the kids to live in a decent house with decent maintenance coming in. It might well be more than some MMs are living on as a complete family.
I clearly don't know your financial situation, but this is possible.

And, emotionally, well, it won't be fun for them, but like many kids I'm sure they will adjust. They could quite probably grow up less scarred than watching their parents living through a nightmareish marriage where their mother is slowly losing her mind due to trust issues.

It is now 7 months on from your last thread and you are STILL fixating on this lady in the office being the root cause of your marriage problems.
She is not - your DH and/or you are the root cause of your marriage problems, as it is you two who are in the marriage.

On your wedding day, it was not this lady who stood beside you and made solemn marriage vows... it was your DH standing there making those vows.
So this lady owes you NOTHING.

So what if she likes to sleep with married men? Not exactly an admirable trait in any person, but it's not illegal - she is entitled to do what she wants.
It is the married man (men) that she is sleeping with who should chose not to cheat on their wives. Even if she strips down to her underwear and gives your DH a lap dance in his office, he is married and if he decides to sleep with her he is making that choice of his own free will.
A man cannot be seduced into cheating if he does not want to do so.
(And, of course, it may well be the case that it is your DH who is doing all the chasing with this woman, and not the other way around).

If your DH is cheating and has cheated on you then he clearly wants to do so.

And, your DH is right about one thing... if he had an affair with this woman and then dismisses her from employment because his wife can't trust him in her presence then yes, she WOULD have a case for unfair dismissal.

Stop acting like an immature teenage girl, blaming some other woman in the office for your husbands philandering... you owe it to your children to stand up and act like a grown up. decide if you can trust him or not, if you want to be married to him or not, if you can make your marriage work or not etc etc and then start taking some actions.
But, letting him away with this time after time and then coming on internet forums moaning and complaining about some lady in his office place is a pointless exercise, and it's a waste of your time and energy. You would be better placed to direct some of that energy towards making some long term plans for you and your children.

If you want to leave, get some legal advice and take it from there.

Best of luck to you.


I agree with everything Lulubop said. I don't know what level of lifestyle you have but surely nothing is worth this stress. If you want him to go or you want to move somewhere else with the children, then just do it. Do you want another year, five years or ten years living like this???? Money might be tight but at least you'd be able to live a normal life.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:34 pm 
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i hang on to give my children the possibility of not coming from a broken home
I've always believed that children are often better off in a one parent loving home than in a home with a distractive relationship.
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i dont understand why women do that kind of thing at all. i wish i had a magic wand but i don't.
- you really should not be so concerned about this, instead you should focus on why your husband did what he did! Forget about this woman, you husband is not a victim here, just the opposite!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:45 pm 
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i hang on to give my children the possibility of not coming from a broken home
I've always believed that children are often better off in a one parent loving home than in a home with a distractive relationship.
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i dont understand why women do that kind of thing at all. i wish i had a magic wand but i don't.
- you really should not be so concerned about this, instead you should focus on why your husband did what he did! Forget about this woman, you husband is not a victim here, just the opposite!



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I don't think you can even see it tbh Milly :( nobody is saying this girl is a lovely girl but what people are saying is you should not give a crap about her, you should not be even be thinking about her. He has done this to your family no one else, he is the one to blame.

I can promise you that coming from a broken home is a million times better than growing up with your parents in a dysfunctional relationship.

If you want to leave you can do it, my mother left with 2 severely disabled children and me. We had not got a bean and relied on St Vincent de paul. My mother got no maintenance from my dad. We were happy and our home was a happy home with no atmosphere any more. My mother and I are best friends now and I feel such pride when I think of all she went through and the strength she had.

You are strong too and you can change things. There are a hell of a lot of women on this site that have gone through what you are going through and came out the other side.

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Money may well be tight and he handles it all and doles it out, but if you separate then he will have to give you a fixed amount and it will be up to you to handle your own money. Not whatever he choooses to dole out to you.

Believe me, growing up with separated happy parents far outweighs the fear, stress and anxiety of growing up in an unhappy house, and I know that from personal experience.

Also, you face the very real prospect of your kids resenting you in years to come because you were the only one who could have taken the decision to get them out of a bad situation and you chose not to. I've seen that happen.

And what sort of a message are you giving them by staying in a deeply unhappy marriage?

I'm sorry if I sound harsh, I don't mean to. But you still have a chance to give you and your kids a happy life together. You won't always have that chance - it's amazing how quick the years slip by and then those chances are gone.


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It you want to make your marriage work you have to let it go about this woman. You have spent months dwelling over it and it's getting you no where.

You have 2 choices - leave him or decide to trust him. There are only so many times we can tell you to stop blaming this girl. Your DH had an affair originally and this was nothing to do with this woman, so your trust in your DH is the issue.

Women have affairs with married men (though your dh was separated from you at the time) so get over it. She is not the first woman to do it and certainly won't be the last.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:19 pm 
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Milly77 wrote:
ok - to clarify, money is tight he handles all the money and doles it out on a weekly basis. he owes the banks alot. i don't hang on to him for the lifestyle, i hang on to give my children the possibility of not coming from a broken home. there isn't a lifestyle issue here , if i was working id have money to buy a coffee and not worry about it. i'd love to have a big suv but i don't i drive a 00 and don't concern myself about that kind of thing. i also hang on 'cause he asked for the opportunity to make amends. i didn't ask him to come back or beg him to he did all that tears and all.
don't think i'm being immature have resentment to that girl i'm sorry but i dont understand why women do that kind of thing at all. i wish i had a magic wand but i don't.


then let him make amends and put the affair behind you.you may not realise it but you are going to push him away with this behaviour.you have to stop checking his emails,phone etc and get on with your life.even if this girl had left the company you would still be checking up on him.either trust him or don't but stop this obsessing about the affair,the girl etc.you'll drive yourself mad and drive your dh away.you have been told all this before and as another poster said you have wasted months going around in circles.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:46 pm 
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It you want to make your marriage work you have to let it go about this woman. You have spent months dwelling over it and it's getting you no where.

You have 2 choices - leave him or decide to trust him. There are only so many times we can tell you to stop blaming this girl. Your DH had an affair originally and this was nothing to do with this woman, so your trust in your DH is the issue.

Women have affairs with married men (though your dh was separated from you at the time) so get over it. She is not the first woman to do it and certainly won't be the last.


I think this is harsh but very good advice. But you need to choose, you can't keep on like this, it can't be good for your mental health having to check up on your husband and intercepting his work emails, analysing every tiny bit of contact he has with other woman. Best of luck with it, I don't envy your position at all.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:01 pm 
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Clauds wrote:
It you want to make your marriage work you have to let it go about this woman. You have spent months dwelling over it and it's getting you no where.

You have 2 choices - leave him or decide to trust him. There are only so many times we can tell you to stop blaming this girl. Your DH had an affair originally and this was nothing to do with this woman, so your trust in your DH is the issue.

Women have affairs with married men (though your dh was separated from you at the time) so get over it. She is not the first woman to do it and certainly won't be the last.


I think this is harsh but very good advice. But you need to choose, you can't keep on like this, it can't be good for your mental health having to check up on your husband and intercepting his work emails, analysing every tiny bit of contact he has with other woman. Best of luck with it, I don't envy your position at all.



+ 100000.

You also say that you cant understand the woman who does this sort of thing................you should be asking your Husband why He did this sort of thing to you and your kids.......let that girl go and stop fixating on her. Its not her fault, its your DH who put you in the situation not her.......that woman has no loyalty to you and why should she? I am not saying what she did was right - she howver is single and can choose to sleep with whoever she likes.....your husband isnt.......

I thnk you know this marriage is over.......your kids are miserable as it is as are you.........you need to thnk about them first and not this obsession you have with this girl........your kids will be happy in the long run - if you are happy...........

Good luck with whatever you decide

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Milly77 wrote:
ok - to clarify, money is tight he handles all the money and doles it out on a weekly basis. he owes the banks alot. i don't hang on to him for the lifestyle, i hang on to give my children the possibility of not coming from a broken home. there isn't a lifestyle issue here , if i was working id have money to buy a coffee and not worry about it. i'd love to have a big suv but i don't i drive a 00 and don't concern myself about that kind of thing. i also hang on 'cause he asked for the opportunity to make amends. i didn't ask him to come back or beg him to he did all that tears and all.
don't think i'm being immature have resentment to that girl i'm sorry but i dont understand why women do that kind of thing at all. i wish i had a magic wand but i don't.


Broken home? Big effing deal! Ok, it's not the 'ideal' but if the choice is between a broken home and an unhappy one, I'd take broken any day. Read the responses on this thread, and on the last one you posted, and look at just how many women have said they'd prefer a broken home to one where the mother is unhappy and the father treats her disrespectfully.

Nothing destroys a kid more than growing up in an unhappy home, with a bad atmosphere - my folks went through a bad patch when I was a teenager and I am still coming to terms with the emotional damage that caused.

As for the other woman, you need to forget about her. Your DH is the one who made a commitment to you, not her. I'm so sick of this 'blame the woman' culture. Your DH is the one who is married, it's his responsibility to keep his vows.

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taking everything you've all said on board - if a woman orignally hadn't wrecked my marriage I wouldn't be in this mess.
just my point of view and i think it is a culture thing , im not sure that we as a society value marraige and i don't think younger women give two f's about going out with attached men.Its just in our brilliant celtic tiger society mind set now.
yes my marriage as i knew it is over. thanks again for your advice.there is no good solution just two different equally as painful ones. :(


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I really don't now why I'm bothering but Milly once again, another woman didn't ruin your marriage, your husband did.

Why can you not understand that your husband is the one who was unfaithful, broke his marriage vows and thought nothing of you and your children. Maybe if you vented all your anger at your dh instead of this other woman you would be able to get out of the marriage you are so desperately unhappy in.


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A woman did not wreck your marriage. Your husband managed that. How do you know he didn't chase her, why do you assume it was the other way round. And even if she did chase him, he is the gobshite who said yes.


You deserve to be treated with respect, and the only way for that to happen is for you to respect yourself first.

You cannot continue to be a victim of this other woman. Your husband is the one who betrayed your marriage.

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"if a woman orignally hadn't wrecked my marriage I wouldn't be in this mess."

If it wasn't that particular woman, it sounds like it could have been another woman at any other time. Do you love your husband? Is that why you are staying?
If you walk away with your children, you have rights. You need to believe that and have the strength to move on.


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Well then stop worrying about who did what first and start focusing on sorting this out for your kids. He was on that site too, he put himself out there. He decided to screw around. She couldn't have chased him if he hadn't put himself out there in the first place.

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No woman can make any man be unfaithful. They make that decision themselves. Please stop kidding yourself.


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Did that woman force him to sign up to the site? He was actively looking to cheat on you before he even met her.

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Oh FFS, 2 threads later and youre still going on about the other woman?
What do you want to hear? Yes it's all her fault. She lured your husband away into her lair with her sweet honey, and bam he was trapped.
Now the best thing for you to do is to dwell on her completely, whatever else happens don't discuss things frankly with your DH. Instead be bitter, focus on the mistakes of the past rather than the future, allow yourself to be miserable, repeat by 50 years and you're done.

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Oh FFS, 2 threads later and youre still going on about the other woman?
What do you want to hear? Yes it's all her fault. She lured your husband away into her lair with her sweet honey, and bam he was trapped.
Now the best thing for you to do is to dwell on her completely, whatever else happens don't discuss things frankly with your DH. Instead be bitter, focus on the mistakes of the past rather than the future, allow yourself to be miserable, repeat by 50 years and you're done.


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:frusty: this smiley says it all . Your husband was signed up to a site for married people looking to cheat . Come on like please tell me that you still don't blame the women. If it wasn't her it was going to be someone else . Answer me this do you honestly thing your dh wants the marriage to work . Have you asked him straight what he wants , the more I read the more frustrated I get here. You need to make some decisions move on forget about this women or leave . I have no idea what your culture actually is and I have no idea what the Celtic tiger has to do with any of it . I have been in your position and as all posters on here are saying if it wasnt her it would be someone else .

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Milly77 wrote:
taking everything you've all said on board - if a woman orignally hadn't wrecked my marriage I wouldn't be in this mess.
just my point of view and i think it is a culture thing , im not sure that we as a society value marraige and i don't think younger women give two f's about going out with attached men.Its just in our brilliant celtic tiger society mind set now.
yes my marriage as i knew it is over. thanks again for your advice.there is no good solution just two different equally as painful ones. :(

Would you get real. I understand you are upset but you have your head in your ass if you think this woman is the reason your husband was unfaithful. It had nothing to do with one woman, or the 'celtic tiger mindset' as you call it, it was down to him ignoring his marriage vows.

Maybe when you realise the fault lies with him you might see you and your children deserve better.


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