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 Post subject: Re: Creche denies pants
PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:06 pm 
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Op, this is madness, if he is trained he is trained and doesn't need a nappy. What do you do at evenings and weekend?
You need to talk to creche again and stop sending in nappies

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I am sorry but don't mean to be another sounding like i am having a go but this is just madness I have worked in creche's for over 10 years and we would never do a thing like that
1. It can have a long lasting bad effect on child
2. It would undone all the parents work
3. its not our place you are the main care giver and we are there to help with your childcare needs

I know you kept saying they say he is too young and he's a boy but i can tell you thats crap each child is different and you as there parent know them the best and we are there to follow your lead
My advice is no longer supply nappies they can't throw you out for that and should they try contact health board cause they will be on your side
never feel you don't have a voice you are the mother your vocie is the most important

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 Post subject: Re: Creche denies pants
PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:30 pm 
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Great advice for the OP there fluzie :bigups:

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Shoot me if you will but does no one suspect the op was posting this "problem" to create a platform from which to inform us all about infant toilet training (that I've heard of already). I just find it impossible to believe a creche would do this. Or maybe, I should be less cynical. Maybe it was just a language problem and the op misunderstood the motives of the creche?

Besides 2+ is not all that young to be potty trained at all - even for a boy :sigh:


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:43 pm 
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Engol* wrote:
Shoot me if you will but does no one suspect the op was posting this "problem" to create a platform from which to inform us all about infant toilet training (that I've heard of already). I just find it impossible to believe a creche would do this. Or maybe, I should be less cynical. Maybe it was just a language problem and the op misunderstood the motives of the creche?

Besides 2+ is not all that young to be potty trained at all - even for a boy :sigh:


Totally agree. :lookround: Maybe I'm just cynical as well. :biggrin:


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Engol* wrote:
Shoot me if you will but does no one suspect the op was posting this "problem" to create a platform from which to inform us all about infant toilet training (that I've heard of already). I just find it impossible to believe a creche would do this. Or maybe, I should be less cynical. Maybe it was just a language problem and the op misunderstood the motives of the creche?

Besides 2+ is not all that young to be potty trained at all - even for a boy :sigh:


Totally agree. :lookround: Maybe I'm just cynical as well. :biggrin:

Me as well but didn't have the balls to say it

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Moto Moto wrote:
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Engol* wrote:
Shoot me if you will but does no one suspect the op was posting this "problem" to create a platform from which to inform us all about infant toilet training (that I've heard of already). I just find it impossible to believe a creche would do this. Or maybe, I should be less cynical. Maybe it was just a language problem and the op misunderstood the motives of the creche?

Besides 2+ is not all that young to be potty trained at all - even for a boy :sigh:


Totally agree. :lookround: Maybe I'm just cynical as well. :biggrin:

Me as well but didn't have the balls to say it


As soon as the thread progressed I thought the same :huh: some people really feel the need to justify "alternative" approaches sometimes.

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 Post subject: Re: Creche denies pants
PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:53 pm 
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You're very cynical. :biggrin:

Surely if the idea was to promote infant toilet training she would have picked an impressive age like 12 months for full toilet training.

Being toilet trained at 2 is not unusal. DD1 was well trained by then and the creche were very supportive - in fact they suggested it at about 18 months.

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 Post subject: Re: Creche denies pants
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Why are some posts suspicious and others not? I agree with Claire C, Surely if the idea was to promote infant toilet training she would have picked an impressive age like 12 months for full toilet training.

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Unfortunately the OP has put up some strange posts over the past few weeks which has my radar up :huh: . I took this post at face value at the beginning.

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 Post subject: Re: Creche denies pants
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Donnie wrote:
Unfortunately the OP has put up some strange posts over the past few weeks which has my radar up :huh: . I took this post at face value at the beginning.


I didnt intend to. Its just that I know my daughter was 3 before she learned to use te toilet and around three and a half before she learned to be ready going without a nappy to bed. Even if I tried out something different which we didnt practise excessivly. I just wasnt so sure if 2 for a boy wouldnt be to young either. The only thing he is certainly ready and I think its partly due to this infant potty training. I only used to emphazise the fact that he is ready no matter what others say.

What other suspicious posts did I ahve. I only reply to my knowledge, dont discuss thse things because its up to any of you what you do. I only give advise. And my friendship posts are only for people who think likewise. And its only there to help me. That it turned into a discussion is not my fault, I dont even read them anymore. i am not here to discuss my method of bringing children up. I have my mind set anyway. And I basicaly dont care what other mums are doing. But I can still state my point of you. Is that not part of this discussion board?


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jees, I do 'child-led' tt and my dd1 is 3.5 and still no interest :biggrin: (ds was just over 3).

If your child is ready and able then there is no reason to go back to nappies.

But I think in the op you mentioned that you noticed he was having accidents at home as well? (were these happening before he started in the creche?)
I think in a creche situation it might be difficult for them to notice all the signs that he wants to go?
If you need to be there to see the signs that he wants to use the toilet/potty, then perhaps he is not completley ready?
I realise I'm coming at it from a different perspective, but I wouldn't consider a child to actually be tt until they could realise they need to pee/poo in time and deal with it themselves (with bum wiping help of course :biggrin: )

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infant training doesn't sound like it has any advantages, all four of mine were trained by two, without the hasstle of holding them over something when they were three months, and my neice copied her older sister and trained herself at a very young age. I think toilet training is all down to the child themselves, when they reconise the toilet and the feeling then that is half the battle. The other half is to reconise the feeling on time , and give themselves time to get to the loo, or to stop playing and go.

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or to stop playing and go.


A problem my 6 year old dd has still to master :sigh:

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Engol* wrote:
Biddypat wrote:
or to stop playing and go.


A problem my 6 year old dd has still to master :sigh:

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 Post subject: Re: Creche denies pants
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lilycat wrote:
jees, I do 'child-led' tt and my dd1 is 3.5 and still no interest :biggrin: (ds was just over 3).

If your child is ready and able then there is no reason to go back to nappies.

But I think in the op you mentioned that you noticed he was having accidents at home as well? (were these happening before he started in the creche?)
I think in a creche situation it might be difficult for them to notice all the signs that he wants to go?
If you need to be there to see the signs that he wants to use the toilet/potty, then perhaps he is not completley ready?
I realise I'm coming at it from a different perspective, but I wouldn't consider a child to actually be tt until they could realise they need to pee/poo in time and deal with it themselves (with bum wiping help of course :biggrin: )


Well, he had the accidents since he went to teh creche. He is still good like. He either shouts he pee or poo when the potty is not handy or he goes to the potty himself. So yes he is saying pee or poo in the creche but nothing happens when he goes. Which is so unlike him unless he has to fart as i said earlier. BUt hey I can understand them. I mean if he is trying and nothing comes (either for testing out toilet or whatever reason) that they presume he is not fully trained. At least he had no accident at home so far. I will see what he is like on monday. he still is settling in.


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zaarambar...
my dd is almost 3 and is going through a phase at the moment where she says she needs to go to the loo but when she gets there she doesn't go. sometimes she gets as far as sitting on the loo, sometimes halfway up the stairs, sometimes as far as the door. it's very annoying but it's like as if she's working up to it. i find especially in strange toilets we can have a few visits before she'll actually do the business

i'd be very firm with the creche. if he's trained, he's trained, end of story.
just because the place is free doesn't mean that they can dictate to you.
fwiw, i haven't noticed any "strange" posts.


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 Post subject: Re: Creche denies pants
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jammymammy wrote:
zaarambar...
my dd is almost 3 and is going through a phase at the moment where she says she needs to go to the loo but when she gets there she doesn't go. sometimes she gets as far as sitting on the loo, sometimes halfway up the stairs, sometimes as far as the door. it's very annoying but it's like as if she's working up to it. i find especially in strange toilets we can have a few visits before she'll actually do the business


my ds is the same if it is a strange toilet we havego at least twice before he can perform..
dd was the same but she is fine now..
So I imagine it is a very usual issue.
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Donnie wrote:
Unfortunately the OP has put up some strange posts over the past few weeks which has my radar up :huh: . I took this post at face value at the beginning.

I think this post is very strange... the op has asked you which posts of hers you find to be "strange" and you haven't replied, maybe you could enlighten her.

As for the cynicism I think some of you can be quite rude. Not only does it make the op seem akward you also make people who reply sincerely seem silly.

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lea wrote:
jammymammy wrote:
zaarambar...
my dd is almost 3 and is going through a phase at the moment where she says she needs to go to the loo but when she gets there she doesn't go. sometimes she gets as far as sitting on the loo, sometimes halfway up the stairs, sometimes as far as the door. it's very annoying but it's like as if she's working up to it. i find especially in strange toilets we can have a few visits before she'll actually do the business


my ds is the same if it is a strange toilet we havego at least twice before he can perform..
dd was the same but she is fine now..
So I imagine it is a very usual issue.
good luck


I think you both could be right. I mean its probably a matter fro them to get used to new toilets. I certainly know of children who have difficulties in going to toilets anywhere but at home.


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Stayin Sane wrote:

As for the cynicism I think some of you can be quite rude. Not only does it make the op seem akward you also make people who reply sincerely seem silly.


I fail to see what's rude about expressing an opinion that a post isn't all what it seems. I also think that what is silly is the daft concern that other posters should not be made to look silly or awkward. Posters are perfectly capable of making eejits of themselves all on their own.

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Zaarambar wrote:
Donnie wrote:
Unfortunately the OP has put up some strange posts over the past few weeks which has my radar up :huh: . I took this post at face value at the beginning.


I didnt intend to. Its just that I know my daughter was 3 before she learned to use te toilet and around three and a half before she learned to be ready going without a nappy to bed. Even if I tried out something different which we didnt practise excessivly. I just wasnt so sure if 2 for a boy wouldnt be to young either. The only thing he is certainly ready and I think its partly due to this infant potty training. I only used to emphazise the fact that he is ready no matter what others say.

What other suspicious posts did I ahve. I only reply to my knowledge, dont discuss thse things because its up to any of you what you do. I only give advise. And my friendship posts are only for people who think likewise. And its only there to help me. That it turned into a discussion is not my fault, I dont even read them anymore. i am not here to discuss my method of bringing children up. I have my mind set anyway. And I basicaly dont care what other mums are doing. But I can still state my point of you. Is that not part of this discussion board?


I'm sorry - only coming back to this now. I sincerely apologise - it was this thread last week viewtopic.php?f=5&t=217713

, that I found your reply a bit strange and insulting - it may have just been me being hormonal ( and could easily be at the moment) but I was just wondering why DD had suddenly got afraid of dark and found your reply a bit OTT as if I don't comfort DD and treat her fears as normal.


Sorry again for posting the above.

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well any progress with the creche?

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well any progress with the creche?


Not quite, he still refuses to say anything. He is completely back to nappies. Even at home he has the occational accident (when we are out and about it happens more frequently but thats to be expected). But i try to just see it as a step back for him. I wont show him.


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