Child not baptised-Catholic school

Overhere · **Joined:** Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:13 pm **Posts:** 8449

I'm amazed anyone on MM is shocked that school are allowed to discriminate. There have been many eloquent posters on here explaining exactly how the system works (ngbg is one of them).

ainm2 · **Joined:** Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:05 pm **Posts:** 9909

I know it's legal in Ireland ngbg, I was just wondering if you could prove that this violated the rules of EU law or UN law or whatever else. (Can you tell I know nothing about law?!) .

nbgb · **Joined:** Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:59 pm **Posts:** 9435

ainm2 wrote:

I know it's legal in Ireland ngbg, I was just wondering if you could prove that this violated the rules of EU law or UN law or whatever else. (Can you tell I know nothing about law?!) .

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ire ... 05941.html

I've a feeling that there could be some sort of class action possible, but it would cost mega bucks and from what I can see no group has the balls or money to take this on.

Aliwassi · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:12 am

I did not know this was legal. I swear I knew schools did it but the area I live in.. the inner city., has lots of schools so I only heard of it and never actually experienced it Iykwim. only thing I have really experienced is location discrimination not myself but a neighbour of mine. I think its disgusting that the government think this is ok. but I suppose its typical of them would probably be too much hastle for them to get it sorted. I am going to find out from my kids school what their enrollment policy is

Torbreck · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:13 am

nbgb wrote:

tbh I'm surprised that you're shocked, it's legally permitted to descriminate on the basis of religion both in terms of enrolment and employment in schools - a derogation from the equal status act was sought to do this. The UN HRC have taken us to task on this and the availablity of non denom education but as far as I know the govt are heading back into it on the 15th to AGAIN defend this discrimination.

State-sanctioned (publicly-supported) discrimination against its own citizens! It is almost impressive.
I guess it is payback for the penal laws?

nbgb, do you have any further info on which gov dept/agency defends this to UN HCR?

nbgb · **Joined:** Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:59 pm **Posts:** 9435

Torbreck wrote:

nbgb wrote:

tbh I'm surprised that you're shocked, it's legally permitted to descriminate on the basis of religion both in terms of enrolment and employment in schools - a derogation from the equal status act was sought to do this. The UN HRC have taken us to task on this and the availablity of non denom education but as far as I know the govt are heading back into it on the 15th to AGAIN defend this discrimination.

State-sanctioned (publicly-supported) discrimination against its own citizens! It is almost impressive.
I guess it is payback for the penal laws?

nbgb, do you have any further info on which gov dept/agency defends this to UN HCR?

no 'fraid not, but all my local td's have a wee email waiting for them when they drag their butts into work tomorrow asking them about it :biggrin:

nbgb · **Joined:** Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:59 pm **Posts:** 9435

Aliwassi wrote:

I did not know this was legal. I swear I knew schools did it but the area I live in.. the inner city., has lots of schools so I only heard of it and never actually experienced it Iykwim. only thing I have really experienced is location discrimination not myself but a neighbour of mine. I think its disgusting that the government think this is ok. but I suppose its typical of them would probably be too much hastle for them to get it sorted. I am going to find out from my kids school what their enrollment policy is

I wasn't trying to get at you, tbh unless you are one of those unhappy with the status quo (or part of those determined to keep the staus quo), you prob wouldn't have a clue. Before I tried to get a place for my eldest I wouldn't have had a breeze either. I'm a tad obsessive about it :biggrin:

and have managed to piss off quite a few mm's over the years (I've had some lovely pm's :biggrin:

)

ainm2 · **Joined:** Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:05 pm **Posts:** 9909

nbgb wrote:

Aliwassi wrote:

I did not know this was legal. I swear I knew schools did it but the area I live in.. the inner city., has lots of schools so I only heard of it and never actually experienced it Iykwim. only thing I have really experienced is location discrimination not myself but a neighbour of mine. I think its disgusting that the government think this is ok. but I suppose its typical of them would probably be too much hastle for them to get it sorted. I am going to find out from my kids school what their enrollment policy is

I wasn't trying to get at you, tbh unless you are one of those unhappy with the status quo (or part of those determined to keep the staus quo), you prob wouldn't have a clue. Before I tried to get a place for my eldest I wouldn't have had a breeze either. I'm a tad obsessive about it :biggrin:

and have managed to piss off quite a few mm's over the years (I've had some lovely pm's :biggrin:

)

Are there MMs that think that it's acceptable that state run schools discriminate based on religion?

nbgb · **Joined:** Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:59 pm **Posts:** 9435

ainm2 wrote:

nbgb wrote:

Aliwassi wrote:

I did not know this was legal. I swear I knew schools did it but the area I live in.. the inner city., has lots of schools so I only heard of it and never actually experienced it Iykwim. only thing I have really experienced is location discrimination not myself but a neighbour of mine. I think its disgusting that the government think this is ok. but I suppose its typical of them would probably be too much hastle for them to get it sorted. I am going to find out from my kids school what their enrollment policy is

I wasn't trying to get at you, tbh unless you are one of those unhappy with the status quo (or part of those determined to keep the staus quo), you prob wouldn't have a clue. Before I tried to get a place for my eldest I wouldn't have had a breeze either. I'm a tad obsessive about it :biggrin:

and have managed to piss off quite a few mm's over the years (I've had some lovely pm's :biggrin:

)

Are there MMs that think that it's acceptable that state run schools discriminate based on religion?

arragh you're not going to make me drag up some of these threads are ye - maryb'll banning me for all these threads soon :biggrin:

Torbreck · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:33 am

ainm2 wrote:

Are there MMs that think that it's acceptable that state run schools discriminate based on religion?

Yes! And some admit that it is 'wrong' but that strangely it doesn't bother them as much as it should. Some very smart MMs too.
I must admit I find it perplexing.

Off to bed now - my head hurts!

Clauds · **Joined:** Mon Jul 19, 2004 9:50 am **Posts:** 18358

Neither of my boys we christened and we're not bringing them up catholie. We got into the catholic school no problem. I have never heard a complaint about anyone being turned away based on religion. The last few years the school didn't have enough places for all the applicants but it went on the basis of siblings first, then age. Some Catholic children didn't get places so no obvious discrimination. We were never asked for a baptism cert either.

I was refused a place in our local CoI school but it was because of numbers. Think there is only 15 places a year and the majority go to siblings.

I think it's outrageous that state run schools discriminate on religious grounds esp when alternatives are not being provided.

nbgb · **Joined:** Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:59 pm **Posts:** 9435

ainm2 wrote:

nbgb wrote:

Aliwassi wrote:

I did not know this was legal. I swear I knew schools did it but the area I live in.. the inner city., has lots of schools so I only heard of it and never actually experienced it Iykwim. only thing I have really experienced is location discrimination not myself but a neighbour of mine. I think its disgusting that the government think this is ok. but I suppose its typical of them would probably be too much hastle for them to get it sorted. I am going to find out from my kids school what their enrollment policy is

I wasn't trying to get at you, tbh unless you are one of those unhappy with the status quo (or part of those determined to keep the staus quo), you prob wouldn't have a clue. Before I tried to get a place for my eldest I wouldn't have had a breeze either. I'm a tad obsessive about it :biggrin:

and have managed to piss off quite a few mm's over the years (I've had some lovely pm's :biggrin:

)

Are there MMs that think that it's acceptable that state run schools discriminate based on religion?

this thread might open your eyes a little.....
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=356188&hilit=educate

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